M-Drol/H-Drol/TREN/Halo-TREN/MMA-3/EQ/HAVOC Stack Log

[MAX.MAREK]

Here was a cycle that i did at the end of march of 2008. got GREAT results from it. just wanted to share with everyone.....liversupport was taken during every point of this long stack...aswell as my multi's, fish oils, vitamin c, green tea, bcaa's, etc.

note: also, i felt NO pain in my kidneys, liver or anything during this cycle. my body reacted well to it, and i kept it pretty safe, and didnt go overboard with each of the products.


weeks 1-4 (mass cycle)
• Competitive Edge Labs M-Drol 3 pills per day (2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol)
• Competitive Edge Labs H-Drol 2pills per day (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol)
• Tri-City Chemicals Extreme TREN 1pill per day (19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione)
• Dymatize Nutrition Z-Force (Tribulus, NAC, LPC and ZMA)
• ZMA 3 pills before bed, on training days

weeks 5-8 (mass/hardening cycle)
• BCS Labs Halo-Tren (Halodrol and Tren Compound) 2 pills per day
• Tokkyo Nutrition EQ 2 pills per day (1,4-androstadiene-3,17-diene)
• Tri-City Chemicals Extreme TREN 1pill per day (19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione)
• ZMA 3 pills before bed, on training days

weeks 9-12 (hardening cycle)
• RPN Havoc 3 pills per day (2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol)
• American Cellular Labs MMA-3 3 pills per day (1,4-androstadiene-3,17-diene)
• Tri-City Chemicals Extreme TREN 1pill per day (19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione)
• ZMA 3 pills before bed, on training days

start on week 10-14: (post-cycle)
• BCS Labs Formadex 3 pills per day (4-hydroxyandrostenedione)
• SNS Inhibit-E 3 pills per day (1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione (3,17-keto-etiochol-triene))
• ZMA 3 pills before bed, on training days


start on week 12-16: (cutting cycle)
• ALRI Alpha Drive XL (natural testosterone booster) 3 pills per day
• Lipodrene with ephedrine by Hi-Tech 3-4pills per day
• Max Muscle Cleanse and Lean 2 pills in the morning, 2 pills at night
• ZMA 3 pills before bed, on training days


Dates:
• 03/08/2008 - Bodyfat% checked | 10.38% officially
• 03/08/2008 - weight 204lbs.
• 03/10/2008 - OnCycle Phase 1
• 04/05/2008 - Finish weight 220lbs. (on M-Drol/H-Drol with 1 Xtreme Tren)
• 04/06/2008 - OnCycle - Phase 2 - Start weight 220lbs. | Finish weight 215lbs. (on BCS Labs Halo-Tren 400/Tokkeyo EQ (MMA-3) with 1 Xtreme Tren)
• 05/11/2008 - OnCycle - Phase 3 - weight 215lbs. (on RPN HaVoc/ACL MMA-3 with 1 Xtreme Tren)

Once off-cycle complete - Finishing weight - 213lbs (after all water retention was removed, and been on clean supps for 2 weeks.)

[LatnDragn]

DAYUM, dude...what you do for PCT?? Do you get your lipids checked frequently?? Do you still have nuts?? Mine shriveled up just looking at the stack...

[MAX.MAREK]

my PCT stack is listed on the Post-Cycle. ya man, my body worked just fine. i couldnt believe that i still had a pretty good sex drive during the entire cycle. but, adding the tribulus during my entire cycle helped regulate my system a little bit.

so, the great thing about RPN Havoc is that it has a anti-estrogen built into it...so its perfect to start using during the last leg of any stack....cause it will only help push more water out, start regulating your system, as well as giving continuous strength gains. love that stuff!!

[MAX.MAREK]

poop thing is, 3 of those products i was taking just got banned

MMA-3, Tokkyo EQ and Halo-Tren. awesome products.

1,4-androstadiene-3,17-diene....just felt like it would fill you out, and it was a great dry look. MMA-3 and EQ had that active ingredient. just wish i could find another product with the same string....killer stuff.

bcs Halo-Tren was a mix of halodrol and tren.
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol with 19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione.

you can still find halo-tren out there, but because it was banned, the price went up. ugh....

[jdg76]

my PCT stack is listed on the Post-Cycle. ya man, my body worked just fine. i couldnt believe that i still had a pretty good thugging drive during the entire cycle. but, adding the tribulus during my entire cycle helped regulate my system a little bit.
so, the great thing about RPN Havoc is that it has a anti-estrogen built into it...so its perfect to start using during the last leg of any stack....cause it will only help push more water out, start regulating your system, as well as giving continuous strength gains. love that stuff!!

Hey Max, I don't want to start a debate on your thread, but I asked that question quiet awhile back and was told that it wouldn't do any good taking a test booster while on cycle. Could you elaborate a little more on how it works?

[MAX.MAREK]

well, when i decided to do that stack a few months back...i had that VERY SAME question in mind. i was worried about sex drive issues, as well as water retention....so, i was given the advise to add a little tribulus to the mix (natural test booster)....and it seemed to work. my sex drive was still there (but on some days it was there, especially after really intense training). it was just taken as a \"experiment\" to the cycle/stack, and it worked great for me. mind u, not everyone will react the same in many instances, so the question of \"will this work for me?" is questionable. all we can do is to 'trial n error' on mixtures/stacks/cycles/etc. we all need to learn what our body is capable of, and how it reacts to things.

i did a intense stack like this one to test how my body would react to a longer cycle, with more product being consumed. it did very very well. gained great lean mass, no pain, sex drive still active, no bad breakouts, no irritating side effects, no kidney pain...it went very smooth.

but i cannot say that everyone will react the same to a stack like this as i did. i just wanted to share my experience with this mixture of product to you all.

on my current cycle, i am also using tribulus again. seems to be doing its job again aswell. sex drive still going after 4wks into it, no breakouts, etc.

[Dragn]

poop thing is, 3 of those products i was taking just got banned

MMA-3, Tokkyo EQ and Halo-Tren. awesome products.

1,4-androstadiene-3,17-diene....just felt like it would fill you out, and it was a great dry look. MMA-3 and EQ had that active ingredient. just wish i could find another product with the same string....killer stuff.

bcs Halo-Tren was a mix of halodrol and tren.
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol with 19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione.

you can still find halo-tren out there, but because it was banned, the price went up. ugh....

Banned?? Since when? none of the compounds mentioned are banned. Well...is 1,4-androstadiene-3,17-diene, the same thing as 1-AD? If it is, ErgoPharm just released their newer version of it. The original formula is definitely banned.


Back to the PCT...you ran a 12wk cycle with all those compounds and only a 4wk PCT...with 2 AIs and ZMA??? hhmmmm....

[MAX.MAREK]

since the end of June bud. look it up!

http://www.********.com/forum/showthread. php?t=16302

4Ever Fit D-Drol
ALRI Ergomax
American Cellular Labs TREN-Xtreme
American Cellular Labs MASS-Xtreme
American Cellular Labs MMA-3-Xtreme
Anabolic Formulation Halo-T
Anabolic Formulation TrenaPLEX
AX Pheraplex
AX Ergomax
ANC Rage
APS Nutrition Ultra Mass Stack
Black China Labs Straight Phlexed
Black China Labs Super Flex
Black Dragon Labs Testanate 50
Black Dragon Nutrition TRENV-700
BCS Labs Halo-Tren 400
BCS Labs Testra-Flex
CEL P-Plex
Chapparal Labs Pheravol-V
CTD Labs Decabolen
CTD Trenbolen
DNA Testadrol 50
EST Phera-Vol
Evolution Labs Omnevol
Evolution Labs Sustevol
Evolution Labs ANEVOL
Fast Action D-Stianizol
Fast Action MD1T
Fast Action Monster Pack
Fast Action Trena
Finamax
Fizogen On Cycle Hardcore II
Generic Labz Phera Max
Genetic Edge Technologies SUS500
G.E.T. Phera 50
G.E.T. Tren 250
Genetic Excel(GXL)Original HD
Growth Labs P-Max
IDS Ripped Tabs
IDS Sostenol 250
iForce 1,4 AD BOLD 200
iForce BOLD
Infinite Labs CycloTren
Intense Nutraceuticals Epiotren
Intense Nutraceuticals Tri Bolic
Juggernaut Nutrition Phera-Bol
Kilo Sports Phera-Mass
KiloSports Trenadrol
Molecular Nutrition Boldione
Myogenix(TCC) 17-Methyl X
Myogenix(TCC) Spawn
Myogenix(TCC) Xtreme Tren
Pharma Resources Pheragen
Pharmagenx Finigenx Magnum
Purus Labs E-Pol
Rockhard Formulations Razorbolic
Serious Nutrition Solutions Methyl-Plex XT
Tokkyo Stack
Tokkyo EQ
Tokkyo Tren
Tokkyo Methyl X

[MAX.MAREK]

what do u mean \"hmmmmm\".....i used two excellent PCT products, plus plenty of tribulus (and detox).....think i know what to take bud lol usually with even a 8week cycle you usually only need 1 PCT product + tribulus (does include detox stuff)....so i stacked two products for better results...and they worked great. Formadex + InhibitE are great products.....try em! also RPN havoc has a built-in anti-estrogen agent...so that already helped my system....and i left that part of the on-cycle stack till the end....like i do on all of my cycles now.

[Dragn]

Negative...if you read the referenced article it states that items will be brought forth on 24 June for Congress to decide as to whether or not to amend them to the ASCA of 2004. That notice basically stated those products were going on the chopping block. I am pretty sure they were amended, but the actual date of ban has not been disclosed. From my understanding its 90days from the date of judgement. So, if they in-fact axed the compounds (Bold, Tren, Phera) then the date of sale termination should fall around late Sept. Other than that, there is NO way legit companies and online stores would take a chance selling them to land in the penn.

I am not discounting the fact that the PCT products listed are effective, I have not heard anything bad about them. Just because Havoc is an anti-estrogen doesnt make it a PCT staple. Let me rephrase, Havoc is an anti-estrogenic methyl. I dont know that was a healthy/smart road to take. That was 12wks of methyls and/or prohormones. THATS FUQQIN CRAZY!! Why not run injectables instead? They would've been safer. You're in CA...they have to be easy to come across. In the end, if it worked for you then rock on. I guess I treasure my liver and gonads too much. Again, do you get your blood test pre and post cycles? Hows everything looking? I'd just hate to see a young poster or naive person {thinking...\"thats all I gotta take to look like MAX, SWEET\"...(trust me dude, we get PLENTY of them) } come up on your stack and think that they can get away with a lengthy cycle and only do a half structured PCT with no supporting supps to detox or re-stablize the body and aid it into homeostasis. Then again, as I re-read your post, I see your last cycle (Cutting Cycle) is part of the PCT as well?

Dont try this at home, kids!!!

[MAX.MAREK]

that is why i stated clearly....many times....each body and each person will react differently. mine took everything well, and that's not to say it will for someone else. this was my experience with a stack like this. so take what you can from my notes.

havoc is not a pct, i know this.

official FDA/DEA statement for the listed controlled substances act that just passed.

http://store.yahoo.com/lib/mysupplement-store/FDAP HBANN.pdf

[hardball]

DAYUM, dude...what you do for PCT?? Do you get your lipids checked frequently?? Do you still have nuts?? Mine shriveled up just looking at the stack...

LOL!

[Dragn]

my bad...i thought that DA link was to the Federal Register. Again, the .pdf file states

DEA's Notice of Proposed Rulemaking
(NPRM) proposes to classify the
following three steroids as
‘‘anabolic steroids’’ under the
Controlled Substances Act (CSA):
boldione, desoxymethyltestosterone,
and 19-nor-4,9(10)-androstadienedione.
The Drug Enforcement Administration
(DEA) believes that this action is
necessary in order to prevent the abuse
and trafficking of these steroids. If the
regulations are amended, these steroids
will be listed as schedule III controlled
substances subject to the regulatory
control provisions of the CSA.

DATES: Written comments must be
postmarked, and electronic comments
must be sent on or before June 24, 2008.

The operative word in all this is \"propose\" and feedback/comments regarding the proposal needed to be received before 24 June. Then it goes on to state:

IV. Impact of Proposed Rule
Effect of Classifying These Substances
as Anabolic Steroids

If this rulemaking is finalized as
proposed, DEA will classify boldione,
desoxymethyltestosterone, and 19-nor-
4,9(10)-androstadienedione as schedule
III anabolic steroids. If classified as
schedule III anabolic steroids, any
person who manufactures, distributes,
dispenses, imports, or exports boldione,
desoxymethyltestosterone, or 19-nor-
4,9(10)-androstadienedione, or who
engages in research or conducts
instructional activities with respect to
these three substances would be
required to obtain a schedule III
registration in accordance with the CSA
and its implementing regulations.

Operative word here is "if..... finalized\" and this article was published 25 April.

...just want to make sure the facts are straight. When the ban becomes effective...trust me EVERYBODY will know. Well, everybody that really cares to know. Sales will terminate on the very last day prior to being effective. Sales will be rampant...we can only hope. HAHA!

I find it hard to believe there were no side effects in the least by the use of MDrol at 30mg. Not impossible...just very few venture into the realm of 30mg and experience no sides at the same time topped off with HDrol and Tren. That's pretty good. Do you get your blood tested? (liver panel, kidney panel, testosterone/estradiol levels)

[SparqTheRuthless]

I would never run a cycle more than 4 weeks. I almost feel like shortening that up. 16 weeks? You sound like your knowledged, however this sounds like bad idea. Your using another ph as your pct? No nothin about this sounds good at all. Plates is gonna lay an egg when he reads this. How many cycles have you done? Make sure you get your blood work done.

[Dragn]

He stated Havoc was not part of his PCT. It was the last mini-cycle prior to entering PCT. Agreed with you, Sparq....again, to each his own.